Post by Azaziel on Oct 24, 2010 17:34:10 GMT 10
This is from another fora, I found this so interesting ( As it closely resembles my own view on this subject) that I thought I would post it here.
Just to be sure, it is my belief that all our so called ancient cultures ( egypt, sumeria, greek, amer-indian (North) and central and south american), are all related "somehow", and all seem to have the same "myths"( which I call facts ), although to mainstream academics, I would be considered a loony, anyways judge for yourselves
THE ATLANTIS DILEMMA
There are many ancient traditions reverting to pre-historic epochs which affirm that the most crucial calamity that has befallen this planet within measurable time was the submergence of Atlantis. Much of the appalling debasement and malevolent wickedness of mankind, described in the 6th chapter of Genesis, might be more appropriately applied to the 4th Root-race known as the Atlantean. Almost all the ancient peoples who lived previous to our historical era, and on both sides of the Atlantic ocean, have preserved legends and folklore narrating a tragic cataclysm that destroyed a large country, and drowned the majority of the population then living thereon. Readers who are familiar with the numerous current works on the story of Atlantis will no doubt have been deeply impressed by the mass of logical data, now almost tantamount to proof, showing that there must have existed a well populated country situated between Europe and North America until about 10,000 B.C. The ancient records allege that it suffered recurrent seismic disturbances and submergences which finally reduced its area to two islands, called Ruta and Daitya. In Plato's book Timaeus, written about 420 B.C., he affirms that the last remaining portion of that land, which he called Poseidonis, was suddenly submerged about 9,500 B.C. This information was derived from his ancestor Solon, the famous law-giver of Athens, to whom it was imparted by the Egyptian priests of Sais. They caustically remarked to him: "You Greeks have no antiquity of history, and no history of antiquity". They added that their officials had preserved historical records of Egypt and contiguous countries going back for more than 9,000 years, and even prior to the foundation of the city of Athens by the great Athena, probably about 8,000 B.C. Professor Charles Townsend, D.Sc., M.A., Ph.D., expressed his opinion in connection with a series of public lectures the writer gave on this subject in 1937. In a letter to the press he wrote: "The history, civilization and sinking of Atlantis belong to our historic era, for the records of Atlantis were a part of authentic history, but unfortunately they were lost by the destruction of the Alexandrian Library in 391 A.D. It had an area in its final stages, about the size of the British Isles, and its submergence was coincident with the Deluge." Dr. Townsend adduced the following scientific fact to substantiate the pre-existence of Atlantis: "In 1898, while dredging for a broken cable at a point some 500 miles north of the Azores, the grappling irons brought up splinters of tachylyte, a glassy form of basalt, from a depth of 10,000 feet. These splinters, now preserved at the Musee de l'Ecole de Mines in Paris, prove beyond doubt the existence of lava eruptions cooled under atmospheric pressure at that point of the earth's surface, and geologically recently submerged". Further evidence of the past existence of Atlantis has been presented in numerous books which have been published on the subject during the last few decades, under the scientific headings of Archeology, Botany, Ethnology and Philology. These demonstrations have been corroborated by the comparison of similar customs, legends and traditions that were current on both sides of the Atlantic in that period. The Brazilian writer, Domingos Jaguaribe, in his book "Ancient Brazil and Atlantis" expressed the definite opinion that: "Among the people whose ancestors lived during the great cataclysm, the most pure and faithful to type were certainly the Guanches, the original inhabitants of the Canary Islands. They constitute a link between the East and West of the Atlantic, and the first navigators who encountered them in modern times were astonished by their presence, natural dignity and nobility of bearing!" Two other modern writers, Zucher and Morgolle, in their work on Archaeology, added the following comments on the Guanches: "Their use of hieroglyphics and astronomical signs, their respect for embalming the dead, their pyramid form of tombs and monuments, the honour they paid to agriculture, their passion for music and love of the sacred dance; all these characteristics indicate that they were descendants of a more instructed, cultured and illustrious race than any of European origin, namely Atlantis".
Another interesting fact is that Montezuma of Mexico affirmed that his ancestors came from the East, "from the land of Atzlan, meaning across the water". Humboldt observed the similarity between the hair fashions of the Mexican nobility and the ancient Egyptian princesses, and their funeral practices had much in common. Jaguaribe believes "all these people were descended from Atlantis".
These subjects have been examined with meticulous care, which has led to a wide concensus of confirmatory opinion. It is generally believed that the Atlanteans established trading relations with many countries, and this facilitated the migration of her people to North, Central and South America, as well as to the West of Europe. There is strong evidence that they also had colonies in Egypt, Greece, Mexico and Peru.
GAELIC LINKS
Interesting light on this subject was offered when the writer was giving a public lecture in the City Hall of Durban in 1938. A Scotsman from the West Hebrides told the audience that during his childhood his folk used to discuss their ancient history and folklore around the fire during the long winter nights, and he recounted the following episode:-
THE BASQUES
A certain MacDonald was getting on in years, and his doctor advised him to spend the winter months in the north of Spain; this he did for several years, accompanied by his wife and factotum Sandy. The latter was accustomed to go for a stroll every evening, but one night he returned so late as to merit reproof from his master. "Where have you been all this time?" inquired MacDonald in his native tongue. "Oh, I have just been talking with my friends", Sandy replied laconically. "What friends have you with whom you can converse so freely?" asked MacDonald. "Well, you know I can only speak Gaelic, but these Basques reply in their dialect, which is very like ours, so we get on quite well". On the following night MacDonald decided to put this to a test, and he found no difficulty in chatting with the local folk. In this connection it will be remembered that the ancient Kelts embraced the natives of West Ireland, the Scotch Gaels, the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons, as well as the coastal folk of Spain and Portugal.
BRAZIL AND CANARY ISLANDS
An acknowledged fact in the history of Brazil furnishes further evidence of the linguistic relationship between the East and West of the Atlantic Ocean. The monk Anchieta was actually born on the Canary Islands about 1520, and he therefore knew and spoke the local patois of the Guanches living there at that time. Wishing to become a missionary, Anchieta went to Madrid, where he studied Spanish and theology, and he was later ordained. In 1550 he went to Brazil and first arrived at Sao Vicente, near Santos, and began to preach the Gospel in Spanish. But the Tupi natives did not understand a word of that language. In his disappointment he made some ejaculations in his own Guanche tongue, and to his surprise and delight discovered the Tupis understood this mode of speech, and then they responded to his teaching! How and when was this language bridge established, if not during the period when Atlantis was above the ocean level.
AMER-INDIANS
Another illuminating confirmation of this linguistic relationship was furnished to the writer by friends living in Connecticut in 1934. Our hostess remarked: "I can supplement your story, for my ancestors were Highlanders who came to this country nearly three centuries ago. My forebear was a man of powerful physique, and he joined the mounted police, which brought him into conflict with the native Amer-Indians, who eventually captured him. Being a person in authority the Elders held a parley with the Chief, to decide what penalty should be imposed on the old Gael. While he listened to their discussion, he suddenly burst into laughter, much to the chagrin of his captors, who inquired the cause of his levity when his life was at stake. He replied in his native Gaelic that as he could quite well understand their conversation, they must be blood relations, and therefore they should not quarrel, but make peace. The outcome of this extraordinary conversation was a truce of friendship." Our hostess informed us that this event is fully recorded in the Annals of American Antiquities in the Metropolitan Museum of New York.
WELSH LINK
In 1946 a prominent London newspaper published a quotation from William Palmer, author of Odd Corners in Wales. He cites the story of Rev. Morgan Jones, a Welsh Chaplain who was captured in 1660 by Tuscarora Indians of North America, and he was condemned to death. In his anguish he exclaimed in his native Welsh: "Have I escaped so many dangers in the past that I must now be knocked on the head and killed like a dog?" The Indian Chief who overheard him replied in a patois similar to Welsh: "A man who can speak our tongue shall certainly not die at our hands." Thus we find clearly established a definite triangle of evidence demonstrating the pre-existence of a common origin in the language, which was most probably derived from people who dwelt in a country located in mid-Atlantic, and this constituted a bridge between Europe and the Western hemisphere. A synopsis of other factors confirms that this was the centre and source whence the Gaels, Basques, North American Indians and Guanches all obtained their dialects, and which are so closely related that they can be mutually understood. Professor Farrar, the renowned philologist, stated that "the Basque tongue resembles the language of the Aborigines of early North American tribes, and with these alone."
EGYPTIAN CONNECTION
The writer has in his possession an old wooden statuette of a man that was found in an ancient tomb at Memphis, dating back several thousand years B.C., and its profile is a good resemblance of the recognized North American type of Red Indian.
This supports the contention that colonial and commercial relations existed between ancient Egypt and the old continent of Atlantis, or alternatively with North America. This corroborative evidence seems to justify the belief that the ubiquitous ancient traditions of an extraordinary tragic cataclysm, refer to that which caused the submersion of a large area of land, located in the vicinity of the Azores, and the consequent destruction of its population. This disaster thus entered into the folklore and traditions of surrounding countries.
GUATEMALA QUICHES
Still another record exists in the unique sacred manuscript of the ancient tribe of Quiches, who lived in the area of what we now call Guatemala. This document is called the "Popul Vuh" and it was translated by Dr Guthrie as meaning "The Book of the Holy Assembly." It is now preserved in the British Museum. Therein is described how their patriarch saved his family and all kinds of animals from a great flood. His name was Nahua, which obviously resembles Noah. Furthermore, an old Aztec legend declares that a terrible catastrophe lasting a whole day and night engulfed and destroyed an adjacent country, when some 60 million people were drowned. It is probable that the Sahara desert, which must have lain in the bed of the ocean for many centuries, became uplifted about the same time as a counter-balancing factor. This would have caused a tidal wave affecting a large area of contiguous territory, and thereby have given a realistic basis for the Flood legends that were current in the Near East in B.C. times; these would have been familiar to ancient Egyptians, and also known to Moses.
DIVINE INTERVENTION
Practically all the races of mankind have preserved legends of remarkable beings who came to their countries and taught them the elementary principles of civilized life, such as the process of agriculture, the value of wheat and the nature of fire. In this connection such names as Prometheus, Quetzalcoatl and Hiawatha may be cited. Curtiss writes in the Voice of Isis: "Under the guidance of divine ancestors man had been taught all the arts and crafts, as well as the control and proper use of his own innate powers, and the hidden forces of nature. When man had evolved to a certain degree these Instructors withdrew from the world, leaving him free to use those powers as he thought best, and of his own free will to apply the precepts they had inculcated. The Atlantean race was the culminating point in the evolution of man's physical, emotional and psychic powers; but spirituality was more or less dormant."
Now back to me again, so that no one can say that I am trying to state things that aren't my own,
Unfortunately, the linked provided with above text, does not work, and I have asked if proper link could be provided. There is also a ton more info on Gensis , if anyone is interested, if no takers I won't post it
Just to be sure, it is my belief that all our so called ancient cultures ( egypt, sumeria, greek, amer-indian (North) and central and south american), are all related "somehow", and all seem to have the same "myths"( which I call facts ), although to mainstream academics, I would be considered a loony, anyways judge for yourselves
THE ATLANTIS DILEMMA
There are many ancient traditions reverting to pre-historic epochs which affirm that the most crucial calamity that has befallen this planet within measurable time was the submergence of Atlantis. Much of the appalling debasement and malevolent wickedness of mankind, described in the 6th chapter of Genesis, might be more appropriately applied to the 4th Root-race known as the Atlantean. Almost all the ancient peoples who lived previous to our historical era, and on both sides of the Atlantic ocean, have preserved legends and folklore narrating a tragic cataclysm that destroyed a large country, and drowned the majority of the population then living thereon. Readers who are familiar with the numerous current works on the story of Atlantis will no doubt have been deeply impressed by the mass of logical data, now almost tantamount to proof, showing that there must have existed a well populated country situated between Europe and North America until about 10,000 B.C. The ancient records allege that it suffered recurrent seismic disturbances and submergences which finally reduced its area to two islands, called Ruta and Daitya. In Plato's book Timaeus, written about 420 B.C., he affirms that the last remaining portion of that land, which he called Poseidonis, was suddenly submerged about 9,500 B.C. This information was derived from his ancestor Solon, the famous law-giver of Athens, to whom it was imparted by the Egyptian priests of Sais. They caustically remarked to him: "You Greeks have no antiquity of history, and no history of antiquity". They added that their officials had preserved historical records of Egypt and contiguous countries going back for more than 9,000 years, and even prior to the foundation of the city of Athens by the great Athena, probably about 8,000 B.C. Professor Charles Townsend, D.Sc., M.A., Ph.D., expressed his opinion in connection with a series of public lectures the writer gave on this subject in 1937. In a letter to the press he wrote: "The history, civilization and sinking of Atlantis belong to our historic era, for the records of Atlantis were a part of authentic history, but unfortunately they were lost by the destruction of the Alexandrian Library in 391 A.D. It had an area in its final stages, about the size of the British Isles, and its submergence was coincident with the Deluge." Dr. Townsend adduced the following scientific fact to substantiate the pre-existence of Atlantis: "In 1898, while dredging for a broken cable at a point some 500 miles north of the Azores, the grappling irons brought up splinters of tachylyte, a glassy form of basalt, from a depth of 10,000 feet. These splinters, now preserved at the Musee de l'Ecole de Mines in Paris, prove beyond doubt the existence of lava eruptions cooled under atmospheric pressure at that point of the earth's surface, and geologically recently submerged". Further evidence of the past existence of Atlantis has been presented in numerous books which have been published on the subject during the last few decades, under the scientific headings of Archeology, Botany, Ethnology and Philology. These demonstrations have been corroborated by the comparison of similar customs, legends and traditions that were current on both sides of the Atlantic in that period. The Brazilian writer, Domingos Jaguaribe, in his book "Ancient Brazil and Atlantis" expressed the definite opinion that: "Among the people whose ancestors lived during the great cataclysm, the most pure and faithful to type were certainly the Guanches, the original inhabitants of the Canary Islands. They constitute a link between the East and West of the Atlantic, and the first navigators who encountered them in modern times were astonished by their presence, natural dignity and nobility of bearing!" Two other modern writers, Zucher and Morgolle, in their work on Archaeology, added the following comments on the Guanches: "Their use of hieroglyphics and astronomical signs, their respect for embalming the dead, their pyramid form of tombs and monuments, the honour they paid to agriculture, their passion for music and love of the sacred dance; all these characteristics indicate that they were descendants of a more instructed, cultured and illustrious race than any of European origin, namely Atlantis".
Another interesting fact is that Montezuma of Mexico affirmed that his ancestors came from the East, "from the land of Atzlan, meaning across the water". Humboldt observed the similarity between the hair fashions of the Mexican nobility and the ancient Egyptian princesses, and their funeral practices had much in common. Jaguaribe believes "all these people were descended from Atlantis".
These subjects have been examined with meticulous care, which has led to a wide concensus of confirmatory opinion. It is generally believed that the Atlanteans established trading relations with many countries, and this facilitated the migration of her people to North, Central and South America, as well as to the West of Europe. There is strong evidence that they also had colonies in Egypt, Greece, Mexico and Peru.
GAELIC LINKS
Interesting light on this subject was offered when the writer was giving a public lecture in the City Hall of Durban in 1938. A Scotsman from the West Hebrides told the audience that during his childhood his folk used to discuss their ancient history and folklore around the fire during the long winter nights, and he recounted the following episode:-
THE BASQUES
A certain MacDonald was getting on in years, and his doctor advised him to spend the winter months in the north of Spain; this he did for several years, accompanied by his wife and factotum Sandy. The latter was accustomed to go for a stroll every evening, but one night he returned so late as to merit reproof from his master. "Where have you been all this time?" inquired MacDonald in his native tongue. "Oh, I have just been talking with my friends", Sandy replied laconically. "What friends have you with whom you can converse so freely?" asked MacDonald. "Well, you know I can only speak Gaelic, but these Basques reply in their dialect, which is very like ours, so we get on quite well". On the following night MacDonald decided to put this to a test, and he found no difficulty in chatting with the local folk. In this connection it will be remembered that the ancient Kelts embraced the natives of West Ireland, the Scotch Gaels, the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons, as well as the coastal folk of Spain and Portugal.
BRAZIL AND CANARY ISLANDS
An acknowledged fact in the history of Brazil furnishes further evidence of the linguistic relationship between the East and West of the Atlantic Ocean. The monk Anchieta was actually born on the Canary Islands about 1520, and he therefore knew and spoke the local patois of the Guanches living there at that time. Wishing to become a missionary, Anchieta went to Madrid, where he studied Spanish and theology, and he was later ordained. In 1550 he went to Brazil and first arrived at Sao Vicente, near Santos, and began to preach the Gospel in Spanish. But the Tupi natives did not understand a word of that language. In his disappointment he made some ejaculations in his own Guanche tongue, and to his surprise and delight discovered the Tupis understood this mode of speech, and then they responded to his teaching! How and when was this language bridge established, if not during the period when Atlantis was above the ocean level.
AMER-INDIANS
Another illuminating confirmation of this linguistic relationship was furnished to the writer by friends living in Connecticut in 1934. Our hostess remarked: "I can supplement your story, for my ancestors were Highlanders who came to this country nearly three centuries ago. My forebear was a man of powerful physique, and he joined the mounted police, which brought him into conflict with the native Amer-Indians, who eventually captured him. Being a person in authority the Elders held a parley with the Chief, to decide what penalty should be imposed on the old Gael. While he listened to their discussion, he suddenly burst into laughter, much to the chagrin of his captors, who inquired the cause of his levity when his life was at stake. He replied in his native Gaelic that as he could quite well understand their conversation, they must be blood relations, and therefore they should not quarrel, but make peace. The outcome of this extraordinary conversation was a truce of friendship." Our hostess informed us that this event is fully recorded in the Annals of American Antiquities in the Metropolitan Museum of New York.
WELSH LINK
In 1946 a prominent London newspaper published a quotation from William Palmer, author of Odd Corners in Wales. He cites the story of Rev. Morgan Jones, a Welsh Chaplain who was captured in 1660 by Tuscarora Indians of North America, and he was condemned to death. In his anguish he exclaimed in his native Welsh: "Have I escaped so many dangers in the past that I must now be knocked on the head and killed like a dog?" The Indian Chief who overheard him replied in a patois similar to Welsh: "A man who can speak our tongue shall certainly not die at our hands." Thus we find clearly established a definite triangle of evidence demonstrating the pre-existence of a common origin in the language, which was most probably derived from people who dwelt in a country located in mid-Atlantic, and this constituted a bridge between Europe and the Western hemisphere. A synopsis of other factors confirms that this was the centre and source whence the Gaels, Basques, North American Indians and Guanches all obtained their dialects, and which are so closely related that they can be mutually understood. Professor Farrar, the renowned philologist, stated that "the Basque tongue resembles the language of the Aborigines of early North American tribes, and with these alone."
EGYPTIAN CONNECTION
The writer has in his possession an old wooden statuette of a man that was found in an ancient tomb at Memphis, dating back several thousand years B.C., and its profile is a good resemblance of the recognized North American type of Red Indian.
This supports the contention that colonial and commercial relations existed between ancient Egypt and the old continent of Atlantis, or alternatively with North America. This corroborative evidence seems to justify the belief that the ubiquitous ancient traditions of an extraordinary tragic cataclysm, refer to that which caused the submersion of a large area of land, located in the vicinity of the Azores, and the consequent destruction of its population. This disaster thus entered into the folklore and traditions of surrounding countries.
GUATEMALA QUICHES
Still another record exists in the unique sacred manuscript of the ancient tribe of Quiches, who lived in the area of what we now call Guatemala. This document is called the "Popul Vuh" and it was translated by Dr Guthrie as meaning "The Book of the Holy Assembly." It is now preserved in the British Museum. Therein is described how their patriarch saved his family and all kinds of animals from a great flood. His name was Nahua, which obviously resembles Noah. Furthermore, an old Aztec legend declares that a terrible catastrophe lasting a whole day and night engulfed and destroyed an adjacent country, when some 60 million people were drowned. It is probable that the Sahara desert, which must have lain in the bed of the ocean for many centuries, became uplifted about the same time as a counter-balancing factor. This would have caused a tidal wave affecting a large area of contiguous territory, and thereby have given a realistic basis for the Flood legends that were current in the Near East in B.C. times; these would have been familiar to ancient Egyptians, and also known to Moses.
DIVINE INTERVENTION
Practically all the races of mankind have preserved legends of remarkable beings who came to their countries and taught them the elementary principles of civilized life, such as the process of agriculture, the value of wheat and the nature of fire. In this connection such names as Prometheus, Quetzalcoatl and Hiawatha may be cited. Curtiss writes in the Voice of Isis: "Under the guidance of divine ancestors man had been taught all the arts and crafts, as well as the control and proper use of his own innate powers, and the hidden forces of nature. When man had evolved to a certain degree these Instructors withdrew from the world, leaving him free to use those powers as he thought best, and of his own free will to apply the precepts they had inculcated. The Atlantean race was the culminating point in the evolution of man's physical, emotional and psychic powers; but spirituality was more or less dormant."
Now back to me again, so that no one can say that I am trying to state things that aren't my own,
Unfortunately, the linked provided with above text, does not work, and I have asked if proper link could be provided. There is also a ton more info on Gensis , if anyone is interested, if no takers I won't post it