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Post by Tamrin on Mar 20, 2012 6:17:57 GMT 10
The paper from Yerkes was the most interesting because it is peripherally related to current and pressing problems. Is this your strongest evidence, the paper from the Yerkes National Primate Research Center? Remember we are looking for evidence of innate behaviours in humans.
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Post by brandt on Mar 21, 2012 13:55:16 GMT 10
I thought that some background information to inform people would be appropriate. Anyway, if the paper was read again it would be seen that the alleles spoken of in that paper were identical to those in Homo sapiens.
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Post by Smithee on Mar 21, 2012 14:48:30 GMT 10
Any innate behaviour in any animal will be genetic. The same genetic allele present in monkeys is likely to be present in humans as we share most genes in common. The difference is that instincts or innate behaviours arise from the Hippocampus and in humans the complex structure of our Cerebral Cortex appears responsible for blocking the expression of those genes. To show innate behaviours in humans you need to show innate behaviours in humans.
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Post by Smithee on Mar 21, 2012 16:59:12 GMT 10
I thought that some background information to inform people would be appropriate. Anyway, if the paper was read again it would be seen that the alleles spoken of in that paper were identical to those in Homo sapiens. I guess if we were to identify genes which factored into birds flying and identified the same genes in emus then ipso facto emus must fly.
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Post by brandt on Mar 22, 2012 14:02:34 GMT 10
The hippocampus and other such brain structures arise from genetics. Social learning would lead to a greater variety of human behavior. We don't see that. The brain is not infinitely plastic nor is human behavior.
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Post by Smithee on Mar 22, 2012 19:04:13 GMT 10
The hippocampus and other such brain structures arise from genetics. Social learning would lead to a greater variety of human behavior. We don't see that. The brain is not infinitely plastic nor is human behavior. No one is arguing against evolution or against the role of genetics in anatomy including Neurophysiology. What you have to show is INNATE HUMAN BEHAVIOURS (INSTINCTS). Ask an ethnologist or anthropologist. WE SEE GREAT VARIETY IN HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. You have failed to show a non-obvious universal behaviour.
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Post by brandt on Mar 23, 2012 11:37:49 GMT 10
Yes, humans - unique and special amongst all animals has no instincts. Even in caps the argument fails. You require "non-obvious" without defining what that is. Any evidence presented is not representative enough or uses methods that in some instances was used to support other theories but isn't useful for a scary theory. Maybe science and or lay, shallow reading of science on wikipedia, should not be agenda driven.
What happens if there are differences between males and females? What happens if biology does have an effect on behavior?
All that aside, no matter what the science says, at what point is an agenda forced on others? An agenda like using civil authorities to force a private organization to be a mixed sex organization?
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Post by lanoo on Mar 23, 2012 13:20:33 GMT 10
An agenda like using civil authorities to force a private organization to be a mixed sex organization? Did you have an agenda coming here?
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Post by brandt on Mar 23, 2012 15:14:17 GMT 10
Yes, I did have an agenda. It was quite nefarious. It was to interact with a Brother that I had at one time thought was a good Mason to be in contact with. Then I met his other personas. How many in one, only the Lord could know.
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Post by Smithee on Mar 23, 2012 17:31:39 GMT 10
As the debate has been Phillip and I against you, I take this personally. Yes, I did have an agenda. It was quite nefarious. It was to interact with a Brother that I had at one time thought was a good Mason to be in contact with. Then I met his other personas. How many in one, only the Lord could know. This is rich coming from you. Do not judge others by your own standards. You bear the onus of proof here same as with the debate.
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