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Post by Smithee on Feb 5, 2014 21:10:27 GMT 10
The forum again requires people to log on to post.
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Post by Solomon on Feb 6, 2014 8:09:56 GMT 10
The forum again requires people to log on to post. One wonders why they opened it up again. Maybe numbers were down and they wanted a controversy to stir-up some interest — too bad they couldn't handle it.
The offer still stands, if:— They stop deleting reasonable posts and remove bans imposed simply due to rational disagreement, allowing unfettered right of reply (after all they claim, in bringing disrepute to the Craft, they are simply exercising freedom of expression, so they ought to allow others that freedom as well); Or remove "masonic" from the forum name; OR if they again occlude the forum from public view (have to log in to view) — I will again occlude this thread (archive it).
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 8, 2014 7:43:38 GMT 10
The debate now appears to round off with an Alice Bailey homily about good will. “When you demand the nature of my motives, you reveal the style of your thinking to be callow, captious, superficial, craven, uncertain and impudent.” - Jack Vance. It would seem that for Russell, "goodwill" means to agree with him rather than to correct him. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Post by Smithee on Feb 8, 2014 12:23:20 GMT 10
That and - “Not everybody that says that you suck is a hater. There are people who suck.” ― Mokokoma Mokhonoana.
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 8, 2014 19:04:54 GMT 10
The trouble with most of us is that we'd rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism
Bro. Norman Vincent Peale
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 9, 2014 7:31:11 GMT 10
I recall seeing Russell mention Cognitive Dissonance with regard to those that disagree with him. I doubt he has the insight to appreciate the irony.
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Post by Smithee on Feb 9, 2014 10:48:03 GMT 10
I recall seeing Russell mention Cognitive Dissonance with regard to those that disagree with him. I doubt he has the insight to appreciate the irony. It was here a406.proboards.com/post/22004/threadI did not fully appreciate the irony myself until I clicked on your link. Social psychologist Leon Festinger first proposed the theory in 1957 after the publication of his book When Prophecy Fails, observing the counterintuitive belief persistence of members of a UFO doomsday cult and their increased proselytization after the leader's prophecy failed. The failed message of Earth's destruction, purportedly sent by aliens to a woman in 1956, became a disconfirmed expectancy that increased dissonance between cognitions, thereby causing most members of the impromptu cult to lessen the dissonance by accepting a new prophecy: that the aliens had instead spared the planet for their sake. Cognitive Dissonance is strong but under enough pressure it can eventually snap. “There are some people who can receive a truth by no other way than to have their understanding shocked and insulted.” - Carl Sandburg.
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 9, 2014 14:08:41 GMT 10
I did not fully appreciate the irony myself until I clicked on your link. The irony goes deeper than that. The UFO doomsday cult which was the focus of Leon Festinger's case study, was known as The Brotherhood of the Seven Rays (aka, The Seekers); its leader was Dorothy Martin, (aka, Marian Keech; aka, Sister Thedra), who went on to found the Association of Sananda and Sanat Kumara. It seems the classic study of Cognitive Dissonance was based on a group Alice Bailey nutters Leon Festinger / Sister Thedra
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 10, 2014 7:37:40 GMT 10
“There are some people who can receive a truth by no other way than to have their understanding shocked and insulted.” - Carl Sandburg. Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
Bro. Sir Winston Churchill
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Post by Smithee on Feb 10, 2014 9:12:31 GMT 10
“In criticism, I will be bold, and as sternly, absolutely just with friend and foe. From this purpose nothing shall turn me.” ― Edgar Allan Poe.
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