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Post by Tamrin on May 24, 2013 6:55:40 GMT 10
They are back on public view and full of Woo. Thank you. Accordingly, I have retrieved this file from the archives. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Tamrin on May 24, 2013 7:14:02 GMT 10
Sir, the pretending to extraordinary revelations and gifts of the Holy Ghost is a horrid thing, a very horrid thing
Joseph Butler
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Post by stepnwolf on May 27, 2013 2:30:33 GMT 10
As a member of the forum of which you speak, I feel compelled to defend LorrB's reputation as an honest searcher after Truth. I do not entertain the same interests as many of the posters there, but I will defend their right to pursue them wherever they may lead.
My own views have been received with respect and I trust I may do the same for them. Let me be honest. Whenever I see the host of pseudonyms appear in that forum, I know that we will be in for an angry barrage of snarling and snapping posts. My question is, what is the source of all this anger? Why do you feel it is necessary to make every post a little pack of contention, attempting to display how clever you are?
It is part of our Masonic character to continue our search for the lost word. It may look to you that some of us have lost our way in the snares of occultism, but in trying to correct them, you have neglected your own duty. It has been said somewhere to the effect that it is better to do your own dharma poorly than to do someone elses well.
I wish you well on your search for Truth whatever that may be. May you find peace of soul before I do.
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Post by Tamrin on May 27, 2013 6:45:58 GMT 10
As a member of the forum of which you speak, I feel compelled to defend LorrB's reputation as an honest searcher after Truth. Clearly, that has not been my experience.
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Post by Smithee on May 27, 2013 16:24:24 GMT 10
As a member of the forum of which you speak, I feel compelled to defend LorrB's reputation as an honest searcher after Truth. I do not entertain the same interests as many of the posters there, but I will defend their right to pursue them wherever they may lead. My own views have been received with respect and I trust I may do the same for them. Let me be honest. Whenever I see the host of pseudonyms appear in that forum, I know that we will be in for an angry barrage of snarling and snapping posts. My question is, what is the source of all this anger? Why do you feel it is necessary to make every post a little pack of contention, attempting to display how clever you are? It is part of our Masonic character to continue our search for the lost word. It may look to you that some of us have lost our way in the snares of occultism, but in trying to correct them, you have neglected your own duty. It has been said somewhere to the effect that it is better to do your own dharma poorly than to do someone elses well. I wish you well on your search for Truth whatever that may be. May you find peace of soul before I do. > "an honest searcher after Truth" does not delete contrary opinions in an honest debate. > "host of pseudonyms" I would rather post as Smithee but am blocked when I enter it as it is the username of a current member - Me. However I am banned so I cannot log on. Why am I banned? For disagreement. The closest I have come to a personal attack is where and when the principals there raise the issue of their own credibility or authority to defend their extraordinary claims. They then become fair game for specific and objective criticism of that credibility and authority or its lack. I would respect the ban if either it was reasonable or if they pulled their heads in and stopped bringing freemasonry into disrepute without the opportunity of exercising a right of reply. As I have stated before and as was deleted there, if it were not for the censorship, I would have no major objection to that forum. I was among many others who argued against the N.S.W. edit banning esoteric research and practice. The point was that while some nonsense may be raised from time to time the best way to deal with it is to show it to be nonsense rather than banning the entire subject. Who knows but that a genuine gem might shine through occasionally. Likewise my problem there is with the banning of individuals and the deletion of reasonable posts for making rational points. If they really favour freedom of expression as is claimed then they need to permit it. > "what is the source of all this anger?" I trust I am composed, although anger would be an understandable response for bringing the rational art of Freemasonry into disrepute, which may be what you are picking up on in perceiving anger. "Freemasonry is the high art of creating rational mystics." - Bro. Ted Berry.
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Post by stepnwolf on May 29, 2013 14:24:23 GMT 10
I am afraid you may have misunderstood the purpose of banning your posts on that other forum. I can only guess what was in the minds of the administrators, but I do know that I complained to them prior to this action. I found your posts to be hostile and disturbing to the harmony of the forum.
My guess is that the objections weren't to your opinions, but to the manner in which you posted them. As a matter of fact I expressed to them my admiration for the restraint they displayed in handling the situation.
If you have visited the forum regularly, as you seem to have, you know that my opinions vary greatly from the other posters in several matters. Still they haven't banned me. Perhaps it's because I haven't come out of corner aching for a fight. Perhaps it's because I am still a seeker and have no axes to grind.
And I appeal to you on the FPOF to remember that we are Brothers bound by the restraints of brotherly love, relief and truth. If we have offended you, please accept my personal apologies. If you have another viewpoint I am certain it has a place on that other forum, as they have made a place for mine.
If I hear voices, the one that stands out is the one that reminds me, “Remember! Thou art only a man.” If there is a lesson I must learn in this lifetime, it is the one of humility. I am grateful to my brothers there for the help they have given me in this regard. No condition is so dreadful that I cannot learn.
I speak on my own behalf and without input from the administrators of that other group, but I invite you to join us in that same spirit that should motivate us all in the Craft: brotherly love, relief and truth.
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Post by Smithee on May 29, 2013 15:44:59 GMT 10
You appear to have followed the exchanges with one eye or perhaps you are unfamiliar with the history.
Are you happy with the manner in which our fraternity is presented to the public there?
My manner which you find grating consists solely of repeatedly asking for proof of their extraordinary claims. I reserve the right to call them to account.
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Post by Tamrin on May 30, 2013 9:18:41 GMT 10
....perhaps you are unfamiliar with the history. That history goes back to before this or that other forum began, to yet another forum. There they ridiculed me for accepting scientific facts rather than seeing the "truth" of their pet conspiracy theories, ridiculous superstitions, bizarre speculations and purported special powers. They repeatedly sabotaged what had begun as sensible discussions with talk of giants, aliens, unicorns, etc. LorrB as a moderator there even started a thread about me, entitled, "What Would You Accept as Proof?" The answer was and remains plain, everyday, garden variety proof, proportional to the claims being made, but that answer has never been seen as acceptable to them. I had them in mind when setting the criteria for this forum.
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Post by Smithee on Jun 30, 2013 15:19:39 GMT 10
LorrB wrote. a406.proboards.com/post/19012I replied as kinky, saying. She deleted this among other posts and posted. a406.proboards.com/post/19017Odd how those posts can be read as being derision and ridicule. I too have had a change of mind .... I will now duplicate my A406 posts here. There needs to be an avenue for right of reply.
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Post by Smithee on Jun 30, 2013 15:41:51 GMT 10
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